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Emma/Henry and Jefferson/Grace




I'm intrigued that we have this situation show up in OUAT.

With Emma finally re-connecting with Henry after all this time...THEN, to have Jefferson introduced into OUAT with a daughter he's linked to due somewhat to the "loss of her mother". :?:

We do not know Henry's father OR Grace's mother?...season 2 better answer these questions!!!


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Post on 7/16/2012, 10:59 pm by Guest



Thx to tranceart for the fantastic video! :D

Just tweeted this to Sebastian Stan...I believe he WILL like this!!! :D

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Post on 7/4/2012, 11:51 am by Guest

wileycatpp wrote:season one we got to see wonderland what if each season we get to venture into a new door. There could be a season for each door we see. That would be cool and it would insure plenty of jefferson time yum.


All for that, Wiley! Wink

Well, with the writers adding new characters this season for sure, tells me they want to keep the show 'fresh' and 'different'. I don't know if over the timeline of this show we'll know where all those doors lead-in the hat-but, hope we cover the vast majority.

I still do not want this to run over 2-3 seasons...you inevitably lose the quality of the initial story.

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Post on 7/4/2012, 11:20 am by Guest

that would be cool...but there were at least 14 doors shown and one you couldn't really see...so maybe it would be nice for like a few doors each season...lol

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Post on 7/4/2012, 9:53 am by wileycatpp

season one we got to see wonderland what if each season we get to venture into a new door. There could be a season for each door we see. That would be cool and it would insure plenty of jefferson time yum.

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Post on 7/2/2012, 9:43 pm by Guest

That was a really nice video eclectic!

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Post on 7/2/2012, 8:08 pm by Guest

PERFECT song for that video

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Post on 7/2/2012, 8:03 pm by Guest

A good music video compilation of "Hat Trick" featuring our "Hatter"...and, yes, his hat! Wink

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LOVE this song...moody, somber-just fits the scenes.

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Post on 6/29/2012, 1:43 pm by Guest

woooah, i cant see that happening either haha. i could see him being Michael (H&G's dad) brother. they both talk alot about never abandoning family, and always finding them.

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Post on 6/29/2012, 11:24 am by Guest

i agree that his body language towards her speaks VOLUMES...he even lies to Grace about not knowing her. And yes i agree he didn't appear to even know who Daniel is/was...so to me that says even more that they aren't siblings/didn't grow up together/ know each other as children.

I was speaking more about her being flirtatious...I think she definitely was!

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Post on 6/29/2012, 11:11 am by Guest

Interesting @Ranna that you look at the Regina/Jeff relationship as "a little too flirtatious"...

I don't see that between the 2 at all.

Watch his demeanor...the looks he gives her:

*when she shows up at his house in FTL while he's with Grace...
*their convo in his house...
*the look he gives her when she makes that snide comment on his 'dress' when he goes to Reg's castle with the hat to make a 'deal'/travel to WL.
*in SB...obviously, his initial reaction of hate as to what she did to him
*even when they were in the crypt-using the hat to bring back the apple-he doesn't 'sympathize' in her ring's story-he pretty much says you want revenge, honey...fork it over! Wink

No....more plutonic or tolerating, if you ask me... Wink

And now, it's DEFINITELY hate!!! :pirat:

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Post on 6/29/2012, 10:30 am by Guest

it was in the chatbox...I think SW posted screenshots of the convo's...

and the Tom Welling story really isn't as interesting as it sounded...it was more like back in 2004 i had JUST moved here to Seattle. My grandfather lived up in Rangely Lakes, Maine and he is getting old. About a year or maybe a couple of years earlier he had moved in with one of his children...anyway it became clear he wasn't moving back up there into that house on his own (it is virtually in the middle of nowhere). I forget how long the house had been on the market in 2004...

So right after I moved here my aunt calls me & tells me that her and my two sisters are going up to clean the place out and asks me if i wanted anything...AND that while they are going to be there the actor who plays superman in the show called Smallville will be coming with his wife to look at the house. I guess her parents live nearby somewhere there and they wanted a house there...

Anyway i was like OMG they (my sisters) are going to get to meet him! They have never even seen the show or even know who he is!!!...anyway I don't think they (SM & his model wife) ever actually came to even look at the house...they may have ended up buying a different one i think...maybe it wasn't even near her parents...for some reason Martha's Vineyard is sticking out in my memory concerning them as well....like i said not as interesting as it sounds at first...haha

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Post on 6/29/2012, 8:40 am by wileycatpp

Ranna156 wrote:nah i don't think jeff and regina are related...a little too flirtatious in my opinion for siblings or half siblings...

i still like the elements from our earlier conversation about this and where we said that it would be hilarious if Rump uses the hat to take Regina back in time in our world to grab Bae and leaves her there and she ends up the maid of the Grimm Bro's...haha...someone needs to do a parody on this...

as for Tom Welling...that was me who posted that pic on here...i found it on facebook fan site...and he is SO yum...he and his wife 'almost' bought my grandfathers house up in Maine of all places...but they didn't...that is a story for another day lol

I agree about Jeff and EQ

Thats good I don't remember readiing that earlier convo that would be too funny

And we need to talk

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Post on 6/29/2012, 12:53 am by Guest

nah i don't think jeff and regina are related...a little too flirtatious in my opinion for siblings or half siblings...

i still like the elements from our earlier conversation about this and where we said that it would be hilarious if Rump uses the hat to take Regina back in time in our world to grab Bae and leaves her there and she ends up the maid of the Grimm Bro's...haha...someone needs to do a parody on this...

as for Tom Welling...that was me who posted that pic on here...i found it on facebook fan site...and he is SO yum...he and his wife 'almost' bought my grandfathers house up in Maine of all places...but they didn't...that is a story for another day lol

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Post on 6/28/2012, 11:18 pm by Guest

about jeffs family ties: i actually think that jeff is related to H&G's dad (i forget his name). the reason for this is because in the H&G episode their dad says you "never abandon family" or something like that. and its almost the same as what jefferson says in "Hat Trick". i think they may be brothers

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Post on 6/28/2012, 8:25 pm by Guest

@Lazey...

"Like"! :)

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Post on 6/28/2012, 8:15 pm by Lazey

eclectic1 wrote:LOVE this conversation!!! :)

I had read on another sight...and, I can honestly see this...that Reg and Jeff are 'brother-sister'. Would actually answer some of the questions as to why the 2 know each other so casually and why, maybe, Reg has kept him a 'secret'.

I first saw that on another site too. It would explain how he knows her so well. And when Regina left him in Wonderland she did look like she was regretting it- until she overcompensated by getting super snarky at him. I'm leaning more towards half-siblings though. It could fit in with the "Miller's Daughter" story with Cora.

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Post on 6/28/2012, 8:03 pm by wileycatpp

Bluphoenix444 wrote:Wileycatpp! Honey!
What do you know that I don't know? What about this Tom Welling fellow??? Pray tell!!!

He is so fine used to play on Smallville as young clark kent....someone posted a pic of him side by side with BAE and they kind of resemble each other. I think if yiu go to the secret crush topic you can see pic there.

So now until they show us an adult Bae I will have my fingers crossed that it will be him cuz yum yum Wink I love you bounce

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Post on 6/28/2012, 8:02 pm by Guest

LOVE this conversation!!! :)

I had read on another sight...and, I can honestly see this...that Reg and Jeff are 'brother-sister'. Would actually answer some of the questions as to why the 2 know each other so casually and why, maybe, Reg has kept him a 'secret'.

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Post on 6/28/2012, 7:43 pm by Bluphoenix444

Wileycatpp! Honey!
What do you know that I don't know? What about this Tom Welling fellow??? Pray tell!!!

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Post on 6/28/2012, 7:39 pm by wileycatpp

Jefferson can't be Bae...then they wouldn't be able to Hire Tom Welling to play adult Bae...and they really need to do that lol

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Post on 6/28/2012, 7:37 pm by Lazey

Jefferson being Baelfire is an interesting theory. It could be an interesting backstory, him finding a way to go back to FTL, maybe making the hat in this world after finding magic somehow. After how he separated from Rumple at the vortex I could see him not wanting to be reunited with his father.

Even if he's not Bae there is so much to learn about Jefferson. He really is an enigma.

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Post on 6/28/2012, 7:11 pm by Guest

Blu, you just brought up a great point. Jeff can't personally betray Reg to Rump. Is this because of his possibly familial relationship to Reg ("You don't abandon family") or because there is a backstory between Jeff and Rump?

Ack! There are so many questions!!mm :?: bounce :?:

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Post on 6/28/2012, 7:04 pm by Bluphoenix444

Lazey, eclectic1, you are nailing it!
For all the reasons you both so brilliantly underlined about Jeff's hat and its implication in the Curse/Bae issue, I think that the Jefferson character is an occult one that will be developped more and more as time goes and that we are, the fans, in for a big surprise. This guy lives secluded from the world. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Rumpel is as ignorant about Jeff that he was about Belle. Regina hides him from SB, he has his estate. He came to Emma at night. By day light he vanishes out of thin air, falling to his death? Why didn't he go directly to Rumpelstiltskin about Belle? Might it be that Jeff could be Bae? He told Belle : I need you to do something that I can't. Tell Rum Regina locked you up? Heck He could have ask Rum to get Grace back as a favor! Bypass Regina directly and get to his girl. So! Am I going on a limb here? You tell me ... Twisted Evil

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Post on 6/28/2012, 6:30 pm by Lazey

In "Hat Trick" when Jefferson uses his hat he set it down and uses his hand to start it spinning like a top (at least that's how it looked to me) but in "Apple Red as Blood" he just puts it down and is like "It's not spinning" is it just me or did he look like he was only trying half-heartedly?

I would like to know what Regina and Jefferson's relationship was/is. They seem casual (though Jefferson clearly does not like her) in "Hat Trick", walking with linked arms, some suggested former lovers but I don't see it that way. They're almost like siblings/half-siblings or childhood friends. Maybe they know each other through Regina's mother or something.

I do wonder if Rumple could have skipped the whole Dark Curse if he used Jefferson's Hat to get to this world. If a Magic Hat could do it then the Blue Fairy was clearly lying and really did want Rumple to use the Dark Curse. I have trouble believing that Rumple never learned of Jefferson's hat and what it can do though.

But the Hat has limitations, remember only the number of people can come out that go in. So If Rumple used the hat to find Baelfire he would not be able to take Bae home with him (Unless he pulled that dirty trick Regina pulled on Jefferson) so if someone used it to locate someone in the past like Daniel or the Huntsman someone would have to stay behind in order to take them to the present. And doing that probably will cause some cataclysmic disaster- but to the Huntsman Swan shippers it would totally be worth it lol.

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Post on 6/28/2012, 3:47 pm by SW7_PC2

To back up my statement...Jeff told Regina in 'Apple Red as
Blood'..."then you need to direct me to the time-place where this
object(apple) exists." Regina replies "how?" Jeff states..."think about
it-guide the Hat". So, if the 'Hat' can be directed to locate an item
in a certain place/time...who's to say it can't be directed to locate a
person.


I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!

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